news on the webpage

[Anders Storsveen]

who here manages the webpage and the news on it? perhaps a mention of
the brand spanking new irc channel #icculus.org/quake2 on there
somewhere would be nice. and perhaps a todo-list or something?

[Brendan Burns]

That would be me ;-P
IRC channel info now added to the page.

I think a better place for the TODO list is in the source tree. Do you
have any items you want to be on it?

Thanks
--brendan

Post by Anders Storsveen
who here manages the webpage and the news on it? perhaps a mention of
the brand spanking new irc channel #icculus.org/quake2 on there
somewhere would be nice. and perhaps a todo-list or something?

[Anders Storsveen]

Post by Brendan Burns
That would be me ;-P
IRC channel info now added to the page.
I think a better place for the TODO list is in the source tree. Do you
have any items you want to be on it?
Thanks
--brendan

Post by Anders Storsveen
who here manages the webpage and the news on it? perhaps a mention of
the brand spanking new irc channel #icculus.org/quake2 on there
somewhere would be nice. and perhaps a todo-list or something?

I sure do! Items for the todo list:

- Mouse fixes, mouse unification ( try to make the mouse work and work
the same on all rendering modes ( isn't it weird with mouse handled in
each render too?)
- Regular q2 (not qmax for some reason) performance problems with
ati-drivers (getting 20-40 fps in 1024 with regular and 200 (with
cl_maxfps 200) with qmax
- Maybe splitting network update rate, and rendering stuff, I think it
has been done it r1q2.
- Implementing hwgamma in SDLGL, sdlgl (AND actually windows' opengl
renderer uses some software hack for brightness) while glxgl (and I
think glide for 3dfx in windows) uses hwgamma, which is far superiour.
- stability fixes, segfaults on modechanges and stuff.

someone else feel free to add ;)

[philip murray]

Hi,

I'm trying top get Q2 to work on my Slackware 10.2 box (i'm trying to get
the whole q1-q4 series running, but q3 & q4 are *too* easy to install :oP
). I'm using the icculus quake2-v0.16.1.tar.gz file. i have followed the
readme file & successfully got both the vanilla & q2Max versions working in
separate directories. well mostly.

the vanilla version suffers from annoying 'almost-flicker' when
panning/strafing which would probably be solved by enabling vsync, but i
cant find out how to do this. i just think this has always been an issue
with q2. i cant find any command line to do this in the config.cfg, nor
within the nvidia-setting program, googling also didnt get any answer.

the q2max version went in fine also, although the maxpak.pak from the
q2max-0.44 doesnt seem to work, it gives the blaster.jpeg missing error, i
tried placing it both in the main baseq2 directory & /home/.quake2/baseq2
directory as suggested, but neither worked. but the one linked within the
0.16.1 readme file seems to work ok, and it is a bigger file (3.1mb vs
1.7mb). the q2max just seems a bit flakey & crashes out at various times,
sometimes doing the retpeat terminal spew which needs a ctrl+c to kill.

i'd like to just fix the vanilla q2 version, if any suggestions about the
q2max version are forthcoming i could try them too as maybe q2max is the
best way to escape the strafe flickering.

here's the command i use to start it (both versions);

LD_PRELOAD=libGL.so.1 ./quake2 +set vid_ref glx +set gl_driver libGL.so.1
+set _windowed_mouse 1

Oh, and is there a mailing list archive as I'm probably asking simple
questions that have been answered before (sorry if i am), but i cant find
one on the icculus/q2 website, because i could traul it for answers too.

Thanks,

Philip.

[Nelson Marques]

You need to set 8bit texture on I think to use that pack... read the
docs but I think that's the trick...

NM

Post by philip murray
Hi,
I'm trying top get Q2 to work on my Slackware 10.2 box (i'm trying to
get the whole q1-q4 series running, but q3 & q4 are *too* easy to
install :oP ). I'm using the icculus quake2-v0.16.1.tar.gz file. i
have followed the readme file & successfully got both the vanilla &
q2Max versions working in separate directories. well mostly.
the vanilla version suffers from annoying 'almost-flicker' when
panning/strafing which would probably be solved by enabling vsync, but
i cant find out how to do this. i just think this has always been an
issue with q2. i cant find any command line to do this in the
config.cfg, nor within the nvidia-setting program, googling also didnt
get any answer.
the q2max version went in fine also, although the maxpak.pak from the
q2max-0.44 doesnt seem to work, it gives the blaster.jpeg missing
error, i tried placing it both in the main baseq2 directory &
/home/.quake2/baseq2 directory as suggested, but neither worked. but
the one linked within the 0.16.1 readme file seems to work ok, and it
is a bigger file (3.1mb vs 1.7mb). the q2max just seems a bit flakey &
crashes out at various times, sometimes doing the retpeat terminal
spew which needs a ctrl+c to kill.
i'd like to just fix the vanilla q2 version, if any suggestions about
the q2max version are forthcoming i could try them too as maybe q2max
is the best way to escape the strafe flickering.
here's the command i use to start it (both versions);
LD_PRELOAD=libGL.so.1 ./quake2 +set vid_ref glx +set gl_driver
libGL.so.1 +set _windowed_mouse 1
Oh, and is there a mailing list archive as I'm probably asking simple
questions that have been answered before (sorry if i am), but i cant
find one on the icculus/q2 website, because i could traul it for
answers too.
Thanks,
Philip.

[philip murray]

If the larger maxpack.pak is 16bit and the smaller one 8bit then i'll stick
to the 16bit one as it should be better i think. but for the sake of
tinkering i tried to load up q2 with 3.7mb maxpak.pak and then switch to
8bit but it just gives a blank screen which i exit via ctrl+c and this is
left in the console:
"Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2
I: got 8 bits of red
I: got 8 bits of blue
I: got 8 bits of green
I: got 24 bits of depth
I: got 0 bits of alpha
I: got 8 bits of stencil
Using hardware gamma
murray at zippy:/mnt/special/Games/fps/q2_files/q2_game/quake2_max$ "

if i just replace the 16bit maxpak.pak with the 8bit one it gives the error:
"Error: Missing Particle Picture: particles/beam.jpg"

i cant find the config.cfg file for quake2max, the vanilla quake2 one is in
~/.quake2/baseq2 easy enough, any idea where the q2max one might be, or if
there is a command-line entry to set 8 or 16bit. oh, and i do have all three
8/16/24 depth modes available in xorg.conf.

But, i doubt getting q2maxpak sorted out will stop it from randomly
crashing, so i was really hoping someone might know what to do about the
panning flicker in q2non-max. or are there any other alternative q2max-type
engines available that work in linux?

Thanks,
Philip.

----Original Message Follows----
From: Nelson Marques <nmarques at netvisao.pt>
Reply-To: quake2 at icculus.org
To: quake2 at icculus.org
Subject: Re: [quake2] quake2 vsync & q2max044.
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:02:35 +0000

You need to set 8bit texture on I think to use that pack... read the docs
but I think that's the trick...

NM

Post by philip murray
Hi,
I'm trying top get Q2 to work on my Slackware 10.2 box (i'm trying to get
the whole q1-q4 series running, but q3 & q4 are *too* easy to install :oP
). I'm using the icculus quake2-v0.16.1.tar.gz file. i have followed the
readme file & successfully got both the vanilla & q2Max versions working in
separate directories. well mostly.
the vanilla version suffers from annoying 'almost-flicker' when
panning/strafing which would probably be solved by enabling vsync, but i
cant find out how to do this. i just think this has always been an issue
with q2. i cant find any command line to do this in the config.cfg, nor
within the nvidia-setting program, googling also didnt get any answer.
the q2max version went in fine also, although the maxpak.pak from the
q2max-0.44 doesnt seem to work, it gives the blaster.jpeg missing error, i
tried placing it both in the main baseq2 directory & /home/.quake2/baseq2
directory as suggested, but neither worked. but the one linked within the
0.16.1 readme file seems to work ok, and it is a bigger file (3.1mb vs
1.7mb). the q2max just seems a bit flakey & crashes out at various times,
sometimes doing the retpeat terminal spew which needs a ctrl+c to kill.
i'd like to just fix the vanilla q2 version, if any suggestions about the
q2max version are forthcoming i could try them too as maybe q2max is the
best way to escape the strafe flickering.
here's the command i use to start it (both versions);
LD_PRELOAD=libGL.so.1 ./quake2 +set vid_ref glx +set gl_driver libGL.so.1
+set _windowed_mouse 1
Oh, and is there a mailing list archive as I'm probably asking simple
questions that have been answered before (sorry if i am), but i cant find
one on the icculus/q2 website, because i could traul it for answers too.
Thanks,
Philip.

[Nelson Marques]

Use the 16bit pack, but in options make sure you have set it to use
8bit... read the docs, it's clearly there...

nm

Post by philip murray
If the larger maxpack.pak is 16bit and the smaller one 8bit then i'll
stick to the 16bit one as it should be better i think. but for the
sake of tinkering i tried to load up q2 with 3.7mb maxpak.pak and then
switch to 8bit but it just gives a blank screen which i exit via
"Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2
I: got 8 bits of red
I: got 8 bits of blue
I: got 8 bits of green
I: got 24 bits of depth
I: got 0 bits of alpha
I: got 8 bits of stencil
Using hardware gamma
murray at zippy:/mnt/special/Games/fps/q2_files/q2_game/quake2_max$ "
"Error: Missing Particle Picture: particles/beam.jpg"
i cant find the config.cfg file for quake2max, the vanilla quake2 one
is in ~/.quake2/baseq2 easy enough, any idea where the q2max one might
be, or if there is a command-line entry to set 8 or 16bit. oh, and i
do have all three 8/16/24 depth modes available in xorg.conf.
But, i doubt getting q2maxpak sorted out will stop it from randomly
crashing, so i was really hoping someone might know what to do about
the panning flicker in q2non-max. or are there any other alternative
q2max-type engines available that work in linux?
Thanks,
Philip.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Nelson Marques <nmarques at netvisao.pt>
Reply-To: quake2 at icculus.org
To: quake2 at icculus.org
Subject: Re: [quake2] quake2 vsync & q2max044.
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:02:35 +0000
You need to set 8bit texture on I think to use that pack... read the
docs but I think that's the trick...
NM

Post by philip murray
Hi,
I'm trying top get Q2 to work on my Slackware 10.2 box (i'm trying to
get the whole q1-q4 series running, but q3 & q4 are *too* easy to
install :oP ). I'm using the icculus quake2-v0.16.1.tar.gz file. i
have followed the readme file & successfully got both the vanilla &
q2Max versions working in separate directories. well mostly.
the vanilla version suffers from annoying 'almost-flicker' when
panning/strafing which would probably be solved by enabling vsync,
but i cant find out how to do this. i just think this has always been
an issue with q2. i cant find any command line to do this in the
config.cfg, nor within the nvidia-setting program, googling also
didnt get any answer.
the q2max version went in fine also, although the maxpak.pak from the
q2max-0.44 doesnt seem to work, it gives the blaster.jpeg missing
error, i tried placing it both in the main baseq2 directory &
/home/.quake2/baseq2 directory as suggested, but neither worked. but
the one linked within the 0.16.1 readme file seems to work ok, and it
is a bigger file (3.1mb vs 1.7mb). the q2max just seems a bit flakey
& crashes out at various times, sometimes doing the retpeat terminal
spew which needs a ctrl+c to kill.
i'd like to just fix the vanilla q2 version, if any suggestions about
the q2max version are forthcoming i could try them too as maybe q2max
is the best way to escape the strafe flickering.
here's the command i use to start it (both versions);
LD_PRELOAD=libGL.so.1 ./quake2 +set vid_ref glx +set gl_driver
libGL.so.1 +set _windowed_mouse 1
Oh, and is there a mailing list archive as I'm probably asking simple
questions that have been answered before (sorry if i am), but i cant
find one on the icculus/q2 website, because i could traul it for
answers too.
Thanks,
Philip.

[Anders Storsveen]

Post by Nelson Marques
Use the 16bit pack, but in options make sure you have set it to use
8bit... read the docs, it's clearly there...
nm

Post by philip murray
If the larger maxpack.pak is 16bit and the smaller one 8bit then i'll
stick to the 16bit one as it should be better i think. but for the
sake of tinkering i tried to load up q2 with 3.7mb maxpak.pak and
then switch to 8bit but it just gives a blank screen which i exit via
"Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2
I: got 8 bits of red
I: got 8 bits of blue
I: got 8 bits of green
I: got 24 bits of depth
I: got 0 bits of alpha
I: got 8 bits of stencil
Using hardware gamma
murray at zippy:/mnt/special/Games/fps/q2_files/q2_game/quake2_max$ "
"Error: Missing Particle Picture: particles/beam.jpg"
i cant find the config.cfg file for quake2max, the vanilla quake2 one
is in ~/.quake2/baseq2 easy enough, any idea where the q2max one
might be, or if there is a command-line entry to set 8 or 16bit. oh,
and i do have all three 8/16/24 depth modes available in xorg.conf.
But, i doubt getting q2maxpak sorted out will stop it from randomly
crashing, so i was really hoping someone might know what to do about
the panning flicker in q2non-max. or are there any other alternative
q2max-type engines available that work in linux?
Thanks,
Philip.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Nelson Marques <nmarques at netvisao.pt>
Reply-To: quake2 at icculus.org
To: quake2 at icculus.org
Subject: Re: [quake2] quake2 vsync & q2max044.
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:02:35 +0000
You need to set 8bit texture on I think to use that pack... read the
docs but I think that's the trick...
NM

Post by philip murray
Hi,
I'm trying top get Q2 to work on my Slackware 10.2 box (i'm trying
to get the whole q1-q4 series running, but q3 & q4 are *too* easy to
install :oP ). I'm using the icculus quake2-v0.16.1.tar.gz file. i
have followed the readme file & successfully got both the vanilla &
q2Max versions working in separate directories. well mostly.
the vanilla version suffers from annoying 'almost-flicker' when
panning/strafing which would probably be solved by enabling vsync,
but i cant find out how to do this. i just think this has always
been an issue with q2. i cant find any command line to do this in
the config.cfg, nor within the nvidia-setting program, googling also
didnt get any answer.
the q2max version went in fine also, although the maxpak.pak from
the q2max-0.44 doesnt seem to work, it gives the blaster.jpeg
missing error, i tried placing it both in the main baseq2 directory
& /home/.quake2/baseq2 directory as suggested, but neither worked.
but the one linked within the 0.16.1 readme file seems to work ok,
and it is a bigger file (3.1mb vs 1.7mb). the q2max just seems a bit
flakey & crashes out at various times, sometimes doing the retpeat
terminal spew which needs a ctrl+c to kill.
i'd like to just fix the vanilla q2 version, if any suggestions
about the q2max version are forthcoming i could try them too as
maybe q2max is the best way to escape the strafe flickering.
here's the command i use to start it (both versions);
LD_PRELOAD=libGL.so.1 ./quake2 +set vid_ref glx +set gl_driver
libGL.so.1 +set _windowed_mouse 1
Oh, and is there a mailing list archive as I'm probably asking
simple questions that have been answered before (sorry if i am), but
i cant find one on the icculus/q2 website, because i could traul it
for answers too.
Thanks,
Philip.

the flicker problem COULD be lower fps or something, related to the
ati-drivers and vanilla q2 bug I've been talking about? are you using ati?

[philip murray]

its not an fps problem or ati problem becasue i've a geforce6800 on an
athlon2200+. q2max seems to be working fine now, strange. i think because i
have both versions installed they had been tripping over each others
~/.quake/baseq2/ config files, maybe. i still havent found any document
which explains the 8/16bit settings for using q2max on icclusQ2, other than
a brief mention & link to the 3.7mb file within the icculus readme file.
also the faq just links to the file.

philip

----Original Message Follows----
From: Anders Storsveen <wakko at generation.no>
Reply-To: quake2 at icculus.org
To: quake2 at icculus.org
Subject: Re: [quake2] quake2 vsync & q2max044.
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:34:38 +0100

Post by Nelson Marques
Use the 16bit pack, but in options make sure you have set it to use
8bit... read the docs, it's clearly there...
nm

Post by philip murray
If the larger maxpack.pak is 16bit and the smaller one 8bit then i'll
stick to the 16bit one as it should be better i think. but for the
sake of tinkering i tried to load up q2 with 3.7mb maxpak.pak and
then switch to 8bit but it just gives a blank screen which i exit via
"Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2
I: got 8 bits of red
I: got 8 bits of blue
I: got 8 bits of green
I: got 24 bits of depth
I: got 0 bits of alpha
I: got 8 bits of stencil
Using hardware gamma
murray at zippy:/mnt/special/Games/fps/q2_files/q2_game/quake2_max$ "
if i just replace the 16bit maxpak.pak with the 8bit one it gives the
"Error: Missing Particle Picture: particles/beam.jpg"
i cant find the config.cfg file for quake2max, the vanilla quake2 one
is in ~/.quake2/baseq2 easy enough, any idea where the q2max one
might be, or if there is a command-line entry to set 8 or 16bit. oh,
and i do have all three 8/16/24 depth modes available in xorg.conf.
But, i doubt getting q2maxpak sorted out will stop it from randomly
crashing, so i was really hoping someone might know what to do about
the panning flicker in q2non-max. or are there any other alternative
q2max-type engines available that work in linux?
Thanks,
Philip.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Nelson Marques <nmarques at netvisao.pt>
Reply-To: quake2 at icculus.org
To: quake2 at icculus.org
Subject: Re: [quake2] quake2 vsync & q2max044.
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:02:35 +0000
You need to set 8bit texture on I think to use that pack... read the
docs but I think that's the trick...
NM

Post by philip murray
Hi,
I'm trying top get Q2 to work on my Slackware 10.2 box (i'm trying
to get the whole q1-q4 series running, but q3 & q4 are *too* easy to
install :oP ). I'm using the icculus quake2-v0.16.1.tar.gz file. i
have followed the readme file & successfully got both the vanilla &
q2Max versions working in separate directories. well mostly.
the vanilla version suffers from annoying 'almost-flicker' when
panning/strafing which would probably be solved by enabling vsync,
but i cant find out how to do this. i just think this has always
been an issue with q2. i cant find any command line to do this in
the config.cfg, nor within the nvidia-setting program, googling also
didnt get any answer.
the q2max version went in fine also, although the maxpak.pak from
the q2max-0.44 doesnt seem to work, it gives the blaster.jpeg
missing error, i tried placing it both in the main baseq2 directory
& /home/.quake2/baseq2 directory as suggested, but neither worked.
but the one linked within the 0.16.1 readme file seems to work ok,
and it is a bigger file (3.1mb vs 1.7mb). the q2max just seems a bit
flakey & crashes out at various times, sometimes doing the retpeat
terminal spew which needs a ctrl+c to kill.
i'd like to just fix the vanilla q2 version, if any suggestions
about the q2max version are forthcoming i could try them too as
maybe q2max is the best way to escape the strafe flickering.
here's the command i use to start it (both versions);
LD_PRELOAD=libGL.so.1 ./quake2 +set vid_ref glx +set gl_driver
libGL.so.1 +set _windowed_mouse 1
Oh, and is there a mailing list archive as I'm probably asking
simple questions that have been answered before (sorry if i am), but
i cant find one on the icculus/q2 website, because i could traul it
for answers too.
Thanks,
Philip.

the flicker problem COULD be lower fps or something, related to the
ati-drivers and vanilla q2 bug I've been talking about? are you using ati?